I’ve always been interested in other writers’ processes, but I was especially so when I first started writing, mostly because I found it reassuring to hear that there isn’t necessarily a right way to write. Some writers–like Tim O’Brien, who puts in eight hours every day, even on his birthday, even on Christmas!–make me feel like I’m destined for failure. Others–like Zadie Smith, who starts with the first sentence and writes every subsequent sentence in order up until the last one–remind me that some people possess an inherent talent that is utterly distinct from any inkling of talent I’m lucky enough to have (thus rendering her process more of a museum-calibre artifact than an actual how-to manual). In these cases, I am reminded that the best thing I can do is to show up to my writing desk with some persistence, however discouraged I may feel. And to play to my strengths, now that I’ve been writing long enough to begin figuring out what they are.
I want this blog to be a place to sift through material and ideas, but also a place to think through process. And, if I’m very honest, a place–however tiny–to anchor myself to the writing world, to put my name and ideas into (virtual) print, and to legitimize what I’m doing as a Real Writing Project. I thought two and then three times about posting this interview here, because it seems strange–very strange–to post an interview that I did for a literary journal on my own blog.
But then I thought, That’s what writers do–they talk about process in interviews. And then, It’s a good time to grow up and get comfortable with publicizing my work. It’s part of my job as a writer to find readers, and no one else is going to do it for me.
So, without further elaborate justification, here’s an interview I did for a really cool, new journal of creative nonfiction and visual art: Under the Gum Tree.
When and why did you start writing?
I started writing, really writing in a thoughtful and habitual way, when I was seventeen and working as a K-Mart cashier. Standing in one spot for eight hours scanning barcodes left me with a head full of chatter. It was almost painful, the noise in my head, and I discovered I could relieve it by writing. I did this whenever I could: on breaks, in the bathroom stall, at the register between customers. I wrote in tiny print on the front and back of the brown recycled-paper towels we kept at each register. I’m pretty sure my best friend still has a stack of letters I sent her while she was away working as a summer camp counselor, all written on brown paper towels.
What do you enjoy most about writing?
I teach, a job which, unlike scanning barcodes, uses a lot of my creative energy. So sitting down to write sometimes requires really psyching myself up. But once I get into it, I love revising sentences, mulling over words, rearranging paragraphs. Sometimes I think I write too slowly because I get so deeply immersed in the pleasure of craft. Reading a satisfying sentence is like pulling a beautiful cake out of the oven and cutting a slice: I’m so thrilled that I actually made it turn out.
Who/what is your biggest inspiration when you write?
When things get desperate, when I’m digging deep for inspiration, I think about the two years I spent compiling my MFA program’s alumni newsletter. There was one guy who wrote to us both years, and each time he said the same thing: that he was working as a businessman, not a writer, but he used the skills he picked up during his MFA to edit the local community wine newsletter. I remember thinking about all the money I was spending on my degree, all the nights I woke up at three or four in the morning stuck on some component of an essay I was revising. I did not want to be that guy; I wanted to call myself a writer one day. So some days I think of him. And then I open my computer and get to work.
Do you have a writing schedule?
I write on Mondays and Fridays, the two weekdays I don’t go in to campus. It’s taken years but I’ve finally learned to refuse to put anything else first. Regardless of the papers that need grading or the e-mails that need sending, or the students who desperately want to meet with me, I always show up for my writing days.
What is the hardest part of writing for you?
Believing writing is as valuable as all the other ways I could possibly spend my time, as valuable as my paid work and time spent with the people I love. And treating it that way.
Are you working on anything now?
I’m working on a book-length project on the dangers of love stories. It’s an amalgamation of memoir, family mythology, and research on things like the neurochemistry of love and the way sociologists understand storytelling. The book was inspired my parents’ divorce, and my own desire to investigate how their love story shaped everything I thought I understood about love. The essay in issue five of Under the Gum Tree was originally meant for the book. But I realized the piece needed to be written in the direct address, a voice at odds with the rest of the book, so I found a way to make it stand alone.
How many rejections did you get before you had something published? How did you deal with them?
I was lucky to have mentors who told me to expect ten rejections for every publication but who encouraged me to submit anyway, so rejection is always my default expectation. My first essay was rejected four times before it was accepted, and each of those rejections felt like a writer merit badge. I thought, “Okay, another rejection, that must mean I’m doing this right.” Other essays I’ve submitted eight or ten times with no success, which can be frustrating. But I remind myself that as long as I’m still submitting I’m not going to become wine-newsletter guy.
How did you celebrate when you got your first acceptance?
I did what I suspect most people do: I called my mom. I still do that when I get an acceptance letter. And she’s always as happy as the first time. It feels great.
Do you prefer typing or pencil to paper when you write?
I usually write things out by hand when I’m thinking through a scene or idea for the first time. Later I type it into my computer for tinkering and revision. There’s something about the tactile experience of a pen on paper—and maybe also the slowness of it—that feels generative. Some ideas come out in print and others in cursive. I choose the pen and paper based on some instinct that I don’t really understand, and if it doesn’t feel right–physically the pen against the page–I’ll try another combination.
Do you have any advice for other writers?
I suspect it might be better if this space was dedicated to other writers giving me advice. I’ve got some questions: How do you write about family and still respect their privacy? Is it possible to be both honest and kind? And if not, what should I do? How do your promote your work without being annoying, or should I just stop caring and get aggressive about how valuable I believe what I have to say actually is? What do you do on the day you stop believing you have something valuable to say? What if that day comes once every two weeks? Is it better to write slowly, taking real time with each sentence, or to write quickly and churn out new material and worry about sentences later? What if I finish this book and have nothing else to write about? I’d better stop there. Questions are sometimes disabling.
Oh there, that’s my advice: Don’t ask questions about writing. Ask questions about real problems. Then try to answer them and you’ve got an essay. I love that most about essay-writing and essay-reading: the trying.
Is there anything else you would like to share with the readers?
Thank you for reading my piece. Having an audience, however big or small, is such a luxury.
The identical, but official version is now available here: http://underthegumtree.com/2012/11/meet-the-author-mandy-len/
thanks for sharing this interview. Loved it.
Beautiful Mandy 🙂
I’m always more than happy to be your audience Mandy!
i loved this, mandy len. this was my favourite bit: Reading a satisfying sentence is like pulling a beautiful cake out of the oven and cutting a slice: I’m so thrilled that I actually made it turn out.
thanks, guys! really.
You’ve really inspired me. Just read your article in NYTimes. Firstly, congrats. Secondly, you are a wonderful writer. I haven’t felt this excited about anyone since I discovered Miranda July. Thanks!
i just realized the date on this ! I would be interested in knowing if all of your answers are still the same?
i did an informal interview back in 2013 and I’m amazed at how many of my answers have …”grown” shall we say 🙂